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salja Wachi · Jun 24, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

lol sounds like sour grapes to me.

rotflmao anyone who has to put "beta tester" in their title is insecure at best and arrogant at worst.

sounds like he is not very good lamo

Forscience · Jun 24, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I agree in general with the satements made thus far in the thread. There are, however, three simple and irrefutable facts which I am afraid have been overlooked until now.

1. Guild Wars is fun

2. Other games are not fun

3. Play Guild Wars!

that is all

Episodicfreak · Jun 24, 2005, 10:13 PM // 22:13

I like the game. Lord knows X-Fire's ranked up enough hours on it..

Most of the first post is opinion based. You're opinion's your own, I however, have the oposite. Sure it has problems, and Anet are trying to work with the community to deal with them. It does take time to think up decent ideas you know, then see if they'll work, how they'll be abused, how it will affect the game, who they will attract, and who will quit. It's still in it's teenage years yet. There's gonna be more problems, and some will disappear.

So ssh.. Just wait and see.

Zeru · Jun 24, 2005, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.

Bah, I hate seeing threads go off track so quickly due to stupidity and the urge to flame; even if the original post was very harsh/controversial that doesn't mean you must come off as some people have.

And no this really hasn't been discussed much either. There has only been positive feedback towards anets constant updates which have apparently blinded people that quality=quantity. The new update only seems good cause of the support the alphas are giving for it (others like the skill point ones were utterly small band-aid fixes which did little); there still are pvp updates which are needed. Look at other long lasting games; Starcraft, D2. The casual player is not the reason why it lasts long, though anet could accomplish both purposes with the right moves, which is what dac seems to be suggesting.

Teklord · Jun 24, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I like fun. This game is fun. Do I really need to say more?

I've been playing for close to a month now, and my furthest along character is Lvl14 and just found some place called Borlis Pass. I have no idea how far I am, don't really care either. The longer it takes me, the more fun I'll have. So far I'm enjoying the story line as well. Likely I'll continue to do so, and thus purchase the expansions and continue to have fun.

Did I mention today's special word? ... FUN!

My only complaints are the usual annoyances like people spamming in the wrong channels and the like. I can't even say I've had any grouping (PUG) problems yet. Although from what I've read, I'm sure I'll come to despise certain people that only do missions to capture skills and leave, or the bonus etc. Those types are quite simply Pathetic.

Remember, FUN!!

ADD ON:
Oh yeah, and I do take some offense to this topic's title. I am not stupid, and I don't think very highly of people who would make such a claim. However that being said, I still will not lower myself to that level in my replies.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 24, 2005, 10:23 PM // 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by BE|Dac

yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.

1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff.

2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way.

From Dynamic Terrain, to Skill, to no mindless repition, to fun pve.

3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills.

4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill)

5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG.

6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games.

7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth.

Listen Brad McQuaid, get your ass back over to EQ with the rest of you losers. Nobody ever said this game was for you or your type - if you are so pissed about losing your clients I suggest fixing your own broken game first.

And if this isn't Brad McQuaid

Piss off. You wouldn't have a clue if I nailed it to your ass.

With all the respect you deserve - none,

Talesin

Golgotha · Jun 24, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I see that they still find time to come out from under the bridge.

drowningfish999 · Jun 24, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

The game hasn't even been publically released for 6 months, and people are already complaining how nothing works, it's unfair, there's no replayability, theres too much grind. Could you at least wait to see how Arena.net is going to fix these things before you start complaining about them. They just released info on a PvP only patch which is designed to reduce grind and make it more balanced so PvE players don't get all the skills, yet people still complain. Do you really think the devs are gonna pay attention to these threads, or threads that actually suggest solutions in a constructive way?

Episodicfreak · Jun 24, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by drowningfish999

Do you really think the devs are gonna pay attention to these threads, or threads that actually suggest solutions in a constructive way?

To be fair, that's in another section of the forum here. But if we get a large amount of fanboyish behaviour then no, it'll never get taken seriously.

Forscience · Jun 24, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.

Ok, you want a logical reason why he is wrong. Well here it goes.

The set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member.

Since this is true it must also be true that the set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member OR Guild Wars is Fun.

Since the set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member, it must also be a member of its own set.

Therefor since that set contains itself and it is also true that it must either not contain itself or Guild Wars is fun. It is evident that Guild Wars is Fun!

Special thanks to Dr. Russel for that one

PhineasToke · Jun 24, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

The grind is beginning to depress me. I've built a number of characters on multiple accounts to get a feel for each character's strengths and weaknesses. Some of the changes for a casual PVE player such as myself have been welcome, but it seems more like dangling a carrot on a stick then major upgrades which would improve my enjoyment of the game.

The other night, I made my first PVP character, a Ranger. When I realized that it had NO applicable skills to transfer, I deleted it and created a warrior. Realizing I had to add runes and upgrade the pvp axe, I had to switch back to my pve and transfer gold and runes between accounts to make the warrior somewhat competitive.

Not knowing what I faced, I entered the competitive arena and the "team" I was on promptly got their (and my) butts kicked due to ZERO coordination and ZERO communication or any sembalance of teamwork. Trying again and shifting skills to deal with what I thought I would now face, I rejoined the arena. My "team" won 5 out of the next 8 times, but of those 8 times, I found myself the last man standing for 6 of those 8 competitions. Almost No cooperation, pointless thrashing, teammates bailling. I tried to concentrate on the healers and archers in each "game", sometimes chasing them all over the map while my team died or logged out, leaving me shelling the peanut as I was ganged up on.

Overall, it was extremely depressing to win 4 in a row, lose, and have to start over again with NO REWARD for winning. Overall, it was not enjoyable, especially when a moron stands over you and laughs when you die.

I found the solution. I deleted the PVP and retreated to PVE once again. PVE may have it's flaws, but PVP appeared to me to be totally useless, in spite of having the right armor, skills, runes, and attitude.

I am seriously concerned for the future of this game.

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 24, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Hey, play EverQuest for awhile. Compared, this game and ANet is a lot better.

Now, stop complaining.

Red Locust · Jun 24, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhineasToke

The grind is beginning to depress me. I've built a number of characters on multiple accounts to get a feel for each character's strengths and weaknesses. Some of the changes for a casual PVE player such as myself have been welcome, but it seems more like dangling a carrot on a stick then major upgrades which would improve my enjoyment of the game.

The other night, I made my first PVP character, a Ranger. When I realized that it had NO applicable skills to transfer, I deleted it and created a warrior. Realizing I had to add runes and upgrade the pvp axe, I had to switch back to my pve and transfer gold and runes between accounts to make the warrior somewhat competitive.

Not knowing what I faced, I entered the competitive arena and the "team" I was on promptly got their (and my) butts kicked due to ZERO coordination and ZERO communication or any sembalance of teamwork. Trying again and shifting skills to deal with what I thought I would now face, I rejoined the arena. My "team" won 5 out of the next 8 times, but of those 8 times, I found myself the last man standing for 6 of those 8 competitions. Almost No cooperation, pointless thrashing, teammates bailling. I tried to concentrate on the healers and archers in each "game", sometimes chasing them all over the map while my team died or logged out, leaving me shelling the peanut as I was ganged up on.

Overall, it was extremely depressing to win 4 in a row, lose, and have to start over again with NO REWARD for winning. Overall, it was not enjoyable, especially when a moron stands over you and laughs when you die.

I found the solution. I deleted the PVP and retreated to PVE once again. PVE may have it's flaws, but PVP appeared to me to be totally useless, in spite of having the right armor, skills, runes, and attitude.

I am seriously concerned for the future of this game.

Geeze, can you at least chill for a few more days? Pretty soon, you'll be able to play through your PvE normally without grinding for anything, then switch to PvP arena or tombs, rack up some wins and unlock all your shiz, then go about pvping "on a level playing field" as they call it these days.

chalt2 · Jun 24, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by BE|Dac

yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.

1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff.

2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way.

From Dynamic Terrain, to Skill, to no mindless repition, to fun pve.

3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills.

4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill)

5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG.

6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games.

7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth.

WOW it's a good thing you posted ALL the same old narrowminded INDIVIDUAL ideas you've posted before in other threads in one single post!

That's brilliant!

PhineasToke · Jun 24, 2005, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Locust

Geeze, can you at least chill for a few more days? Pretty soon, you'll be able to play through your PvE normally without grinding for anything, then switch to PvP arena or tombs, rack up some wins and unlock all your shiz, then go about pvping "on a level playing field" as they call it these days.

I guess discussing in-game experiences is difficult (for you) to comprehend? Why should I "chill"? Isn't this what the forums are all about?

Mr. Matt · Jun 24, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.

It's not 'heavily true' though. I for one am a member of forums besides this one, and most people can't give the game enough praise. When I'm online on the game itself, I have only very rarely seen anybody moaning, and they usually phrase it in such a way that implies they're not worth listening to anyway.

Do you know what I do see, though? On the game itself, I mean, not some forum which represents only a tiny fraction of players? Lots of people enjoying themselves! Interesting concept, I know. I do too. Everybody I know does it. The fact that Guild Wars is still a heavily popular game makes it pretty damned clear that it's not 'falling to pieces' as some people keep regurgitating.

Jaythen Tyradel · Jun 24, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhineasToke

I guess discussing in-game experiences is difficult (for you) to comprehend? Why should I "chill"? Isn't this what the forums are all about?

Most Concise Statement Ever. Good Form!

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 24, 2005, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I award Phineas one style point!

Adaria · Jun 24, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

I find it a little funny that this hasnt' been closed merely due to the OP.

You can not speak for everyone on this issue, and what good does it bring to this community or Guild Wars with your attitude issue? Nothing but more flames and hate, if you are so annoyed and angered by this game, you should leave now and save yourself, and the rest of us, more suffering.

A little harsh, perhaps, but this is not what anyone needs to see, it isn't constructive, only destructive, and by the way, that flash was hilarious. >^_^<

Well there you go, my two cents...

I'm more angered at the moment by my new PCs lack of being able to play GW at the moment than anything else... but I will rant on this later...

ReclinerOfRage · Jun 25, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by BE|Dac

3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills.

So I take it you're not happy with the way they're implementing PVP rewards on the test servers?

Is it a joke like gaining 5xp per kill in Tombs?